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2015 Federal TrialtranscripttranscriptElizabeth Zamparelli — Direct/Cross - Day 58 - 2015 Federal TrialElizabeth Zamparelli described Jahar’s high-school friendships and demeanor, then acknowledged on cross-examination that they had little discussion of political beliefs and less contact after he left for college.
Aloke ChakravartyWilliam D. WeinrebMiriam ConradWilliam W. FickGeorge A. O'Toole Jr.Elizabeth ZamparelliCourt ClerkElizabeth ZamparelliMS. CONRADMR. CHAKRAVARTYTHE COURTMR. FICKMR. WEINREBdirectcross
8 pages·7 witnesses·2,480 lines
Defense witnesses described family relationships, Anzor Tsarnaev's psychiatric treatment, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's school and wrestling activities. Professor Michel Reynolds testified about Chechen family traditions and religious materials, faced questioning about his earlier article, and qualified how cultural patterns apply to individuals.
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DirectDirectDirect Examination - Elizabeth Zamparelli Elizabeth Zamparelli Miriam Conrad

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI, duly sworn

COURT CLERK: Have a seat. State your name, spell your first and last name for the record, keep your voice up and speak into the mic so everyone can hear you.

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Bett Zamparelli, B-E-T-T, or Elizabeth, Z-A-M-P-A-R-E-L-L-I.

DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MS. CONRAD:

MS. CONRAD: Good morning, Ms. Zamparelli.

MS. CONRAD: Did you say you go by "Bett"?

MS. CONRAD: How old are you?

MS. CONRAD: And are you in school?

MS. CONRAD: What do you study?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Biology and psychology.

MS. CONRAD: And what year are you in?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Junior/senior. I transferred, so...

MS. CONRAD: In fact, do you have finals coming up next week?

MS. CONRAD: Do you also work or have an internship?

MS. CONRAD: What do you do?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: I teach yoga now.

MS. CONRAD: Where did you grow up?

MS. CONRAD: And where did you go to high school?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Cambridge Rindge and Latin.

MS. CONRAD: When did you graduate from Cambridge Rindge and Latin?

MS. CONRAD: And do you remember the date of your graduation?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: I want to say it was in May, early May.

MS. CONRAD: Let me just show you a document and see if that helps you remember.

MS. CONRAD: This is just for the witness, your Honor.

MS. CONRAD: Does that help you remember when graduation was?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Was it June 2nd or was that just when that was published?

MS. CONRAD: Well, why don't you just take a look at the document and just look down here, and then I'm going to show you a calendar for June of 2011. Okay? Take your time. Does that refresh your recollection?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Yeah, that sounds right.

MS. CONRAD: So was it June 2nd, 2011?

MS. CONRAD: And was Jahar Tsarnaev one of your classmates?

MS. CONRAD: Were you friends?

MS. CONRAD: How did you and Jahar meet?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: We met in driver's ed. We had a few classes together.

MS. CONRAD: When did you take driver's ed?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Probably about sophomore year.

MS. CONRAD: And was there somebody else who you became friendly with during the course of that class, besides Jahar?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: At driver's ed?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: I guess Davin, when we were all doing our driving hours together.

MS. CONRAD: And you said you took some other classes with Jahar as well?

MS. CONRAD: What other classes did you take with him?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: I believe we had Spanish 2 together.

MS. CONRAD: Did you participate in any school activities together outside of class, like clubs or activities?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: We were both in Best Buddies.

MS. CONRAD: What's Best Buddies?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: It's a program that interacts high school kids with special needs kids.

MS. CONRAD: And what kinds of activities would the two of you participate in, in Best Buddies?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: There was like holiday parties where we would make gingerbread houses. There was proms and -- I didn't go to the prom. I'm not sure if he did, but...

MS. CONRAD: I'm sorry?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: There's just a bunch of events. I just went to a couple.

MS. CONRAD: I just missed what you said about the Best Buddies prom.

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Oh, I said that there is one. I don't know if he went. I wasn't able to attend it.

MS. CONRAD: Was that something you got credit for?

MS. CONRAD: Are you aware of any other activities that Jahar was involved in, in terms of school-related events?

MS. CONRAD: Did you also know at some point whether he got a job someplace?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: He lifeguarded.

MS. CONRAD: Where was that?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: The Harvard pool.

MS. CONRAD: What was your relationship like with Jahar -- well, did you maintain a friendship with him from sophomore through senior year?

MS. CONRAD: And what was your relationship like?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: I thought we were relatively close.

MS. CONRAD: Friends?

MS. CONRAD: Just friends?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: (Nonverbal response.)

MS. CONRAD: Did you ever go to his house?

MS. CONRAD: Did you ever think that was odd?

MS. CONRAD: What kinds of things would the two of you do together?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Just hang out, just laugh. I don't know. Just talk about stuff.

MS. CONRAD: What was he like?

MS. CONRAD: Did you have an easy time in high school?

MS. CONRAD: And did you confide your problems in Jahar?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Not necessarily, but I talked to him when I was going through a lot of problems and --

MS. CONRAD: And how would he -- how would that -- how would he respond?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Like a friend. He didn't pry. He knew that it was upsetting to me.

MS. CONRAD: And would he do anything that would make you feel better?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Just make me laugh.

MS. CONRAD: And when you were feeling down, what effect would spending time with Jahar have on you?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Make me feel good.

MS. CONRAD: Did you keep in touch after high school?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Every now and then.

MS. CONRAD: Was that mostly online?

MS. CONRAD: During the time that you knew Jahar in high school, did you ever see him argue with anyone?

MS. CONRAD: Did you ever see him fight with anyone?

MS. CONRAD: Was he somebody -- can you think of any -- what was his sense of humor like?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: A little sarcastic but not mean sarcastic, just...

MS. CONRAD: How would he treat girls?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Really nicely, actually.

MS. CONRAD: In what way?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: He didn't demoralize them or demean them.

MS. CONRAD: Did he ever talk about the future?

MS. CONRAD: Do you remember anything about what his plans were, what he said his plans were?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: I know that he was going to go to UMass Dartmouth. I think we might have talked about being an engineer, but I'm not sure if I recall.

MS. CONRAD: Did he ever talk about politics?

MS. CONRAD: Religion?

MS. CONRAD: Did you know he was Muslim?

MS. CONRAD: Did you ever meet his parents?

MS. CONRAD: What about -- you went to graduation?

MS. CONRAD: He went to graduation?

MS. CONRAD: And you don't remember meeting his parents at graduation?

MS. CONRAD: Did you know his sisters?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: I knew of them; I didn't know them personally.

MS. CONRAD: What about Tamerlan, his older brother?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: I knew him through a friend, so...

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Not really directly.

MS. CONRAD: Can you tell us a little bit more about that? When did you meet Tamerlan?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Objection, your Honor. It's open-ended, and there's a lot of potential hearsay here.

MS. CONRAD: I asked when she met Tamerlan.

THE COURT: You may have it.

BY MS. CONRAD:

MS. CONRAD: I'm sorry? Do you remember when you met him?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Maybe junior year of high school.

MS. CONRAD: And how did that come about?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: I was at an ex-boyfriend's house, and he was at a friend's house across the street.

MS. CONRAD: Who was the friend across the street?

MS. CONRAD: And who was the ex-boyfriend?

MS. CONRAD: So what happened when you met Tamerlan?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Not much. I was a lot younger than them, so it was just kind of like they were interacting, and I was kind of out of place. But that's just kind of how it goes.

MS. CONRAD: So this was actually at Brendan's house or at your ex-boyfriend's house?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: It was like in between the two. They live across the street from each other, so it was like on the sidewalk.

MS. CONRAD: So was Brendan there?

MS. CONRAD: So you met Brendan?

MS. CONRAD: And what was Tamerlan like?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: He was comfortable with his friends. I don't know. Like, "What up, Doogie?" I don't know. I was a little intimidated. I mean, I was a lot younger than they were.

MS. CONRAD: Intimidated by Tamerlan?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: I mean, yeah, but the situation in general just because -- I don't know -- it wasn't my crew of people and --

MS. CONRAD: Had you heard anything about Tamerlan from Jahar or from your other friends?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Objection, your Honor.

THE COURT: Sustained.

BY MS. CONRAD:

MS. CONRAD: Do you know what happened to Brendan?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: He was murdered --

THE COURT: Sustained.

BY MS. CONRAD:

MS. CONRAD: Do you know from your ex-boyfriend whether Tamerlan went to the funeral?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Objection, your Honor.

THE COURT: Sustained. This area.

BY MS. CONRAD:

MS. CONRAD: When -- after the Boston Marathon bombing occurred and the pictures were shown of the suspect, did your sister call you?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Objection to relevance, anything post bombing.

THE COURT: Yes, sustained.

BY MS. CONRAD:

MS. CONRAD: Did someone say to you that they thought one of the --

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Objection, your Honor.

THE COURT: Sustained.

MS. CONRAD: It's for state of mind, your Honor.

MS. CONRAD: It's for state of mind.

THE COURT: Sustained.

BY MS. CONRAD:

MS. CONRAD: Did you think one of the photographs looked like Jahar?

MS. CONRAD: But did you think it was Jahar?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Objection, your Honor.

THE COURT: Overruled.

You may answer that.

BY MS. CONRAD:

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Just none of us thought it could be. It was like a joke, almost.

MS. CONRAD: You thought the marathon bombing was a joke?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: No, not at all.

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Objection, your Honor.

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: The fact that it could be him.

THE COURT: Overruled.

BY MS. CONRAD:

MS. CONRAD: I'm sorry?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: The idea that it could be him.

THE COURT: Overruled.

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Because it just was very much not who my friends and I knew him to be.

MS. CONRAD: I don't have anything further for this witness.

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Very briefly.

CrossCrossCross-Examination - Elizabeth Zamparelli Elizabeth Zamparelli Aloke Chakravarty

CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Ms. Zamparelli, you graduated with the defendant?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: You were about six years younger than Tamerlan and his friends when you met him?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Probably something like that, yes.

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: And you met him, what, one time?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: No, we've crossed paths a few times.

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Okay. But you didn't really engage with him, correct?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: I mean, we'd be in the same conversations. It would be with a group of people, though.

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Okay. You knew the defendant's friends from Cambridge Rindge and Latin, correct?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Davin Zimble, for example, he's one of your friends?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: You knew the Silva brothers. Those were some of his very good friends?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Would you guys hang out together?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: And you knew that they would smoke pot and deal pot as well?

MS. CONRAD: Objection, your Honor.

THE COURT: Sustained.

BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Did you know the basis of his relationship with all of those people?

MS. CONRAD: Objection.

THE COURT: Sustained.

BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: When you would hang out with them, would you smoke together?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Maybe once or twice.

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: You've only smoked once or twice?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Okay. You knew that the Silvas were very close with the defendant, correct?

MS. CONRAD: Objection.

THE COURT: Sustained.

BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Your relationship with the defendant was a friendly one, right?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: And he was pretty socially well adjusted?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: And he was friends with you as well as a bunch of other people; he wasn't part of a particular clique, correct?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: I mean, he had his core group of friends, but not --

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: -- but he also was able to transfer between a bunch of different groups, right?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Yeah. That's pretty much how Rindge goes, though.

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: And you didn't know anything about his -- the depth of his religious beliefs or his political beliefs, correct?

MS. CONRAD: Objection.

THE COURT: Overruled.

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: I mean, religious beliefs, I absolutely knew about them. Political beliefs, I guess we just never really talked about it. I don't think he was secretive of it. That's just not...

BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: When you say his religious beliefs, you absolutely knew about them, you mean you absolutely knew that he was Muslim?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: He was proud of being a Muslim. That's something that Rindge celebrates, right?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Yeah, being who you are.

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: And he was a self-contained person. He was confident. He was able to talk to you and other women respectfully?

MS. CONRAD: Objection. Compound question.

THE COURT: You may answer it.

BY MR. CHAKRAVARTY:

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: You may answer the question. Did you understand the question?

ELIZABETH ZAMPARELLI: Can you repeat it, please?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: Sure. He was a confident person. He was able to treat people with respect and be confident in who he was?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: You respected him for that?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: And when he went away to college, you had less contact with him, correct?

MR. CHAKRAVARTY: That's all I have, your Honor.

THE COURT: Anything else?

MS. CONRAD: No. Thank you very much.

THE COURT: All right, Ms. Zamparelli. Thank you. You may step down.

(The witness is excused.)

MR. FICK: The defense calls Mirra Kuznetsov. And we'll ask the interpreter to come up as well.

MR. WEINREB: Your Honor, can we approach?

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