1.Mistrial Motion Denied Over Bezy Cross-Examination
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THE COURT: It was your suggestion, I think?
MR. BRUCK: Yes, it was. Thank you for seeing us back here.
The defense moves for a mistrial in light of a number of events that occurred during the cross-examination so far of Mark Bezy, and I would like to go through them one by one.
Overall, we think that the government has created a false and extremely false and extremely prejudicial misimpression about what will happen to the defendant after conviction, and I'd like to -- in addition, the cross-examination injected the impermissible topic of cost in quite emphatic terms. Mr. Mellin stated that it was incredibly costly for the Department of Justice or BOP to have their individuals, employees --
"Objection.
"THE COURT: No, you may have it."
That's at page 42 of the transcript of Mr. Bezy yesterday. So that's the first.
MR. WEINREB: Can we have the record reflect what the answer was to the question?
MR. BRUCK: The answer was, "I'll rephrase" --
"You may have it.
"I'll rephrase it."
And then it worked through into the purpose of the stepdown.
"Objection.
"Sustained. I think the point has been made."
So in context, the Court apparently felt that the exchange had already made the point of the costliness of this -- of keeping somebody at ADX, or keeping somebody in H Unit under the SAMs.
MR. WEINREB: I think, your Honor, the record will speak for itself about what was said in the courtroom, but the record should not reflect that the Court believed the point was made. The objection was sustained and there was no answer to the question.
MR. MELLIN: Your Honor, just so the record is clear, that didn't have to do with the cost of the incarceration of the defendant, it had to do with the reasons why there is a stepdown process in place and why Mr. Bezy was involved in the stepdown process.
MR. BRUCK: The record will speak for itself.
Secondly, the cross-examination referred to -- and I quote. The question is, "the U.S. Attorney's Office may think they want to have a SAMs in place, but the Department of Justice overall may make a call and say no, correct?
"ANSWER: It's possible.
"That's happened repeatedly, correct?
"It's very possible."
Based on that, last night we submitted a discovery request to the government to ask for examples of such an event where a SAMs had been requested in a terrorist case by the investigating agency and the prosecuting agency and had been overruled by the attorney general, either -- as to a renewal, and have received no response. We think this creates a misleading impression that this is something which is plausible and that is likely to happen in this case, or even reasonably foreseeable to happen in this case.
This is a misleading impression. If the government has evidence to support that line of cross-examination, they should produce it. And if they don't, the Court should instruct the jury -- well, we don't think the bell can be unrung, that's why we're moving for a mistrial. But in any event, the damage, if it could be repaired, it should be.
The third, the defense -- the cross-examination moved in a very unfair and misleading way, questioned Mr. Bezy about the fact that the defense had moved to lift the SAMs. The context in which that occurred was completely different than what we are litigating here. That was a pretrial SAMs that was applied on the basis of virtually no evidence of misconduct by the defendant. And the thrust of all of the litigation around the SAMs pretrial had to do with limitations on the defense effort, all of which is moot for someone under sentence. But the jury doesn't know any of that.
It is also the case that no court has ever ordered the government to lift or fail to renew a SAMs. There has been litigation over particular people on a visiting list or details of the communications restrictions, and so far as we're aware -- and we've also asked the government to provide us with citations and have received nothing. So far as we're aware, even on these minor requests -- judicial requests for judicial modification, there has been no relief ever granted in any case. The closest that has ever come is that a court remanded the matter to the FBI to reconsider a limitation on communication involving particular correspondence.
So the misleading impression has been given that this is a very porous system, that the government is not, in fact, under control who is placed under SAMs, who goes to H Unit, who stays there. If this were true, then we would have to take our lumps, but it is not true. It's a false impression and it's being done in multiple ways.
And the implied attack on the defense was particularly prejudicial because it appeared to undermine our credibility and forthrightness when, in fact, our challenges to the SAMs, which were never actually ruled on, let alone denied -- we never got to that. The government voluntarily made some modifications that had to do with the defense function, and that was that. But the impression the jury has been left with is that this is a matter that we bring to the attention of the Court, and for all they know the Court may have done whatever and overruled the government. It is just not fair and it's not fair because it's false. And it's also false in a peculiarly prejudicial way because it is intended to make liars out of us, that we are pointing to this procedure postconviction and here we are moving to strike the SAMs, and it suggests as though -- you know, it creates the impression that we're talking out of both sides of our mouth, and it's not true. We're talking about apples and oranges in this litigation.
I don't know how this can be fixed. It is a critical issue. You can tell by the way the government behaved yesterday that they think it's a critical issue. They may think it's more critical than we do, and we think it's very, very serious. So we think this is an appropriate grounds for mistrial overall. We've given three specific examples, but overall we think this cannot be limited to just these three examples. The government is working to create a false impression about what will happen to this young man when he is sent out here under a life sentence. If he is, he's going to ADX. The government now concedes that. And he will stay there. And to create this impression that there are a million casual ways in which the government could forget about him, that the attorney general will overrule the local U.S. Attorney's Office, that the U.S. Attorney's Office won't remember to get the SAMs renewed, that the defense can challenge it in court, that it is too costly, all of this is -- bears no relation to what's actually likely to happen in this case, and it just isn't fair.
So we move for a mistrial on these grounds.
THE COURT: Mr. Weinreb?
MR. WEINREB: I'll start with the cost issue. The government does not dispute -- the government agrees that the jury should not take into consideration the cost of incarcerating the defendant as an alternative to the death penalty, but that was not what the nature of the questioning was about.
Mr. Bruck has decided to make an argument to the jury, to offer evidence to the jury that if the defendant is put in -- is sentenced to life imprisonment, he will be under certain restrictive conditions. He'll go to ADX Florence, he will be put in H Unit and he will remain there for the rest of his life.
The reality is that he will likely be stepped down at some point over time. And it was fair to ask their expert whether the Department of -- the Bureau of Prisons tries their best to step people down and to ask them why they try to do that.
That was all that questioning was about. So there was no effort or intent to suggest to the jury that should be making their decision based on the cost of incarcerating him; only to suggest that the Bureau of Prisons would itself try to step him down if it could because they have -- and to explain why they try to do that. They don't do it out of the kindness of their heart, they do it because they have an incentive to do it.
In addition, the questions really never got anywhere because the defense made an objection. Although the Court overruled it, the witness by that point seemed to have forgotten the question. It was rephrased, asked another way. There was an objection, it was sustained, so no answer was given. And the defense -- the jury has been repeatedly told by the Court that the questions are not evidence, only the answers are evidence.
So all in all, I can see why Mr. Bruck would want to seize on this issue given that it's one of the clear-cut areas where you're not supposed to argue about something to a jury, but in this case it's a tempest in a teapot because it didn't happen.
Also, we were handed a proposed requested penalty phase instruction by the defense to instruct the jury not to speculate about the cost of incarceration or to take that into consideration. Although we believe no error occurred in this case and the instruction is not necessary, it is a fair statement of the law. We don't object to it.
When it comes to the jurors' potential misunderstanding of the SAMs, first of all, we dispute many of the factual assertions that the -- it's unclear whether they're really factual assertions or legal assertions that Mr. Bruck has made today in this lobby conference about how the SAMs process works, and this is really an illustration of why this is a problem of the defense's own making.
The manner in which SAMs are obtained, are imposed, are reviewed, are modified, are abandoned is largely a matter of law. It's really not an appropriate matter for a witness to be testifying about because it's not a factual matter. And yet the defense chose to call an expert to instruct the jury about it and, unfortunately, they chose an expert who really doesn't know what he's talking about. This is not a person who has ever been involved in SAMs, who really has any expertise about them. He basically just studied up on them to give his testimony here, and he really doesn't know much what he's talking about, whereas Mr. Mellin and the rest of us on this team have a lot of experience with SAMs. We know just how the process works, and there was a good-faith basis for every single question that Mr. Mellin asked of this witness.
The truth is that it was Mr. Bruck who created an extremely misleading picture of how the SAMs process works by suggesting to the jury that it is essentially just entirely up to DOJ to decide whether a SAMs is in place and whether it's in place year after year forever. The truth is that there are regulations that have the force of law that govern whether a SAMs can be imposed or not. The U.S. Attorney's Office has to follow them, the FBI has to follow them, the attorney general has to follow them. And if he doesn't follow them, there's judicial review, as there is any time the executive branch violates something that has been -- that has the force of law.
When I say it has the force of law, I mean there are regulations that were enacted by an administrative agency that -- or in some case, pursuant to an authorizing statute. They're just like any other regulation in the C.F.R. They can't simply be ignored at will. The fact is that SAMs are very frequently not renewed and are abandoned because the factual -- the basis -- the requirements for keeping them in place no longer exist or the government no longer believes that it can prove the existence of it by the necessary standard to a court. A good example, although I don't know that any are needed, would be the Richard Reid case. I'm just familiar with it because it was prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Boston.
Richard Reid was in Florence at ADX in H Unit under SAMs, but eventually those had to be -- for one thing, those were overseen by Judge Young who ordered changes to them, and eventually those SAMs had to be relieved. And he's -- Richard Reid, you know, a convicted terrorist, tried to murder many, many people, has been stepped down and is in the general population, as Ms. Conrad who was the attorney on that case, knows well.
MS. CONRAD: I'm not any longer the attorney in that case and I'm not aware of that because Judge Young struck our representation at the request of the U.S. Attorney.
MR. WEINREB: She was the attorney in the case.
In any event, there is SAMs litigation ongoing in Colorado right now. It's absolutely a false impression to suggest that the judicial branch exercises no oversight over the SAMs process, that the government can do things at will. And the reality of the SAMs process is that the U.S. Attorney's Office and the FBI, when they submit their recommendations to the Department of Justice or to the parts of the Department of Justice that review them, sometimes get feedback saying, This isn't not going to -- this isn't sufficient under -- it's -- they are the guardians of the SAMs process. It's their job to review whether the facts exist, just like the OEO, the Office of Executive Operations in the Department of Justice reviews Title III wiretap applications and will not allow the government to submit them to a judge if it believes that the probable cause plus standard has not been met.
It's the same thing with the -- part of the Department of Justice that reviews FISA warrant applications. They exercise a very, very high standard of review and no warrant is even given to the FISA court unless it is certain that it has sufficient basis to be granted. And that's true with the SAMs also, and that's why SAMs don't get granted.
So it's creating a completely false impression to say that if the U.S. Attorney's Office or the FBI wants it, they get it, and that the proof of that is that they never get turned down. Well, we do get turned down, but it's done in an internal process, in a way in which you don't have a judicial record of it. So, again, it is Mr. Bruck, I think, who has been creating the misleading impression in front of the jury.
And one of the big problems is that he is trying to put on evidence of a process that takes place outside of his sight, outside of Mr. Bezy's sight, outside of a lot of people's sight through an expert witness who knows nothing, really, or very little about what he's talking about.
So it's not fair for the defense to put on a one-sided self-serving presentation of the evidence and try to block the government from challenging it. If they put a witness up there, we're entitled to cross-examine him. If we ask him a question and he says, "Possibly. I don't know," that's the witness he put up there. That's the answer they get. If they wanted a different answer, they should have prepared him better or have the facts be different, but they're not.
Excuse me one second.
(Counsel confer off the record.)
MR. WEINREB: I think that it is perfectly fair for the jury to hear that in this case the defense moved to modify the SAMs pretrial. They claim that -- because one of the things that they argued in their motion was that SAMs are subject to review pursuant to the constitution and pursuant to the laws of the United States; in other words, it's not a purely discretionary thing, again, with the Department of Justice, that we just decide we want it and we get it, and the only way it goes away is if we decide we don't want it.
This is a perfect example for the jury to see, that, no, it is possible to go into a court, to tell a judge that the U.S. Attorney's Office, the FBI, the Department of Justice in seeking a particular restriction under a SAMs is violating the Constitution, is violating the law in getting a judge to order the office to do it differently. And they're entitled to hear what often happens in situations like that is you don't necessarily get a ruling from the court, but you get a compromise. The parties work it out. They modify things. Because that happens all the time.
So again, you know, it's not fair for the defense to come up here and say, you know, The mitigation phase allows us to put all sorts of information in front of the jury. Whatever might seem to be mitigating. But we get to put in a one-sided, uncross-examined, unchallenged version of it. We get to put in the information. You have to sit silent. That's simply not the law and that would not be appropriate. The jury needs to make a quality sentencing decision here. They need to have all the information in front of them.
MR. MELLIN: Your Honor, can I make one additional point, which is that the defense has changed course in the way in which they wanted to present this evidence. They submitted a Touhy request, the government responded and identified three witnesses that could talk about either ADX or SAMs or how they are implemented, how someone is designated to ADX, what happens if they are designated to ADX on SAMs.
We provided those witnesses. The defense was given multiple opportunities to talk to those witnesses. That was something we voluntarily allowed to happen. There was a time where Mr. Bruck was on a conference call with the three witnesses; there's another time just recently on Tuesday that Mr. -- the defense was given another chance to sit down with these witnesses and talk to them. It's at that point that Mr. Bezy sat in on these interviews of Ms. Nicolet and -- as well as Warden Oliver and David Schiavone.
Mr. Bezy then is now being called to regurgitate what those witnesses said and put a certain spin on it even though Mr. Bezy is not an expert in SAMs, and Mr. Bezy has had very little, if any, involvement in the SAMs implementation during his career with BOP. So what the defense is trying to do is trying to use their witness to put a spin on what the government's witnesses would have said if the defense had called them, and it's, frankly, not appropriate.
MR. BRUCK: Well, to clarify the history of that, we subpoenaed a witness from ADX of our choosing. The government did nothing for three months, or four, and finally responded that we could not have that witness but that the government had chosen three other witnesses who would be our witnesses.
We went through the process of conferring with them, preparing -- trying to prepare their testimony, and came to the conclusion that the fairest way of presenting our case, not the government's case, would be to call our own witness and not to call the witnesses that the government had directed us to call instead of the BOP official that we wanted. So I think the record should reflect that it didn't exactly -- Mr. Mellin's recounting is not the whole story.
THE COURT: Okay. Well, the motion for a mistrial is denied. As to the cost issue, I substantially agree with what Mr. Weinreb said about it. I understood it at the time to be an explanation for the likelihood of step-down because it was a motivation of the institution to do that, and that's, I suspect without looking at the transcript myself -- that's the reason I overruled the objection, was that it was -- it was not making the point that was the forbidden one, that cost should be a reason that you would opt against the death penalty; it was making plausible why the prison custodians might lighten up on prisoners, which is something that the jurors, as laypeople, might think otherwise.
And as to the examination, I think most of what's complained of is foreseeable consequence of opening up the area which I think you were aware of. I do think that there were places -- and I think it's partly because the exchange between Mr. Mellin and Mr. Bezy got a little excited at times. I do think there are some areas where misimpressions were left plausibly with the jury. One is the one you've identified about whether SAMs have been relieved in the universe of cases or in the relevant subset of cases that may be present here, and the other -- there was another example that occurs to me right on the spot. There was a discussion about people in general population coming out of their cells at 6 a.m. and doing programs, and so on and so forth. And I understood that as referring to a USP and not to ADX, and that was not clear.
MR. BRUCK: Yes.
THE COURT: So there are some -- that, I think, is correctible by -- actually, I think both of them are correctible by redirect, but I am concerned because of the nature of the examination that those errors could recur. That's why I mention them.
MR. WEINREB: Could I just --
THE COURT: There was an oppositional tone I think that wasn't constructive.
MR. WEINREB: Can I ask for clarification? When the Court says there was an misimpression about SAMs being relieved in the relevant universe of cases. What exactly is meant by "relieved"?
THE COURT: Whatever -- again, I don't have the transcript, but "repeatedly," I think was the word; that they expire or are --
MR. WEINREB: "Relieved" could mean that they expire and are not renewed --
THE COURT: Right.
MR. WEINREB: -- which does happen.
THE COURT: Again, I don't know what the words were in the question, but there was an impression it's not an uncommon event for SAMs initially imposed, later not to be continued.
MR. WEINREB: No, that's a very common event.
THE COURT: I know in the universe. But is it for --
MR. MELLIN: For terrorism.
THE COURT: Of these offenses?
MR. MELLIN: We had --
THE COURT: Okay. All right. Well, then maybe it's not a misimpression.
MR. MELLIN: I would be happy to ask that question again, your Honor, but I don't know that Mr. Bezy knows the answer. He has been called as an expert on this, but when I try to get the answer from him it's obvious he doesn't know the answer to, that there are instances where a terrorism -- an inmate convicted of a terrorism charge who had a SAMs, ultimately the SAMs was not renewed.
THE COURT: All right. Well, that should be clarified.
MR. WEINREB: Richard Reid is a perfect example.
MR. MELLIN: And John Walker Lindh.
MR. BRUCK: He has the date on that --
THE COURT: Well, that should be clarified.
MR. BRUCK: -- and we'll bring it out on redirect.
THE COURT: So there's no misimpression on it.
The other matter about the difference -- what general population means in ADX is different from what it means in the USP, I think the jury does not understand that.
All of that having been said, this is a touchy area, obviously. The government has made some points, rather forcefully, I think. I don't know how much more needs to be done.
MR. WEINREB: Well, your Honor, before we leave the topic entirely, the one area that I think is fair for the government to get into, because Mr. Bruck has made such a point of showing to the jury this image of ADX in a freezing cold, snowy environment that looks like Siberia or the moon, that prisoners inside the prison are kept comfortably warm, that they have a bed with a blanket on it, that they're not freezing in the cold like you might think looking at the outside of it, and furthermore, that if people want to visit, it's not like they have to travel to Siberia or the moon; that the prison is located conveniently to an airport, that it's possible to get there without too much trouble. I mean, those are things that are -- that Mr. Bruck is clearly trying to suggest through that particular picture. There are plenty of pictures of ADX that don't show it in that kind of environment. Even the Court said it looked like it was on the moon.
We know that we're being at least during this phase, as opposed to rebuttal, limited to some degree in discussing what the conditions of the prison are like inside, but at a minimum, we should be able to respond to those that the defense has fairly invited response to by putting in, again, a one-sided self-serving portrait of what it is and trying to require us to leave the jury with that instead of providing them with relevant information that will enable them to make a decision about whether they think this is an accurate picture of it or not.
THE COURT: Well --
MR. BRUCK: This gets us back to TV?
MR. WEINREB: No, I didn't say anything about television; I'm talking specifically about these issues that are raised by that photo, the isolation --
THE COURT: I think isolation is a fair point. I'm not sure physical description of the inside is raised by the question.
MR. WEINREB: The only thing we're asking for is to the extent that it looks like it is a freezing cold place which -- you know, I mean, I think that a picture, you know, tells -- is better than a thousand words. It creates an impression, and that picture creates an impression that the people there are like in Siberia, like in the movies you see where the guards are walking around in, you know, huge coats trying to keep themselves warm. It's nothing like that. This is a very modern facility. It is well heated. There are -- you know, prisoners are kept comfortably warm.
THE COURT: You can do that and you can have the airport testimony, but that's it. Okay. So can we --
MR. WEINREB: Sister Helen?
THE COURT: Can we move to the next issue?
MR. MELLIN: Your Honor, if I could just go over the areas that I was planning on going over with Mr. Bezy?
THE COURT: Okay.
MR. MELLIN: I plan on discussing with him, number one, the fact that he has a business where he goes around testifying in all of these cases and the amount of income he makes in these cases, the fact that he's always testified for the defense, those types of questions. Going back to the fact that he doesn't really have any personal knowledge of the SAMs program, and what SAMs he ever worked on; how he became aware of the information in this case; the fact that there were these meetings, he sat in on those meetings; up to that point he didn't even know that information, how he became aware of that information; and how it was he turned around yesterday to regurgitate it. And then to go into the communication, he left the impression the defendant is only allowed one phone call -- only one 15-minute phone call under the SAMs, that's completely incorrect. He has to be allowed one phone call, but he may be permitted more phone calls.
MS. CONRAD: He said that.
MR. MELLIN: So I want to go into the communications, I want to go into the social visits. He indicated and said that it was just the immediate family. That isn't even true for the SAMs in this case, and that can be modified, so I was planning on going into that. The written communications, legal visits, legal communications are unlimited, go into that a little bit. Those are the areas I intend to go into.
MR. BRUCK: Now, as far as -- do you intend to identify the visitors that have been allowed in this case in pretrial status?
MR. MELLIN: I do not, as long as he does not push back on there are people other than immediate family members. Part of the problem, Mr. Bruck, is when I ask a question, he doesn't give the appropriate response, and I think it's probably because he doesn't know a lot about the SAMs and he doesn't know a lot about the SAMs program, but that was a decision you made in calling him.
MR. BRUCK: We would like to object to any reference to the notion that the people he met with were our witnesses because that is a misimpression. They are witnesses that were designated by the government to be defense witnesses, not witnesses that we chose. I think that is an area to be left alone. If he met with BOP officials that you say has superior knowledge, great, but not that they were defense witnesses that we decided not to call.
THE COURT: Yes, I agree with that.
Okay. Can we move to the Sister Prejean question? Can I have a proffer of what she would say?