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2015 Federal TrialtranscripttranscriptCause Challenges and Juror Qualification Rulings - Day 9 - 2015 Federal TrialJudge O'Toole excused three prospective jurors and denied a challenge to another. The court left open an issue concerning jurors who consider life imprisonment harsher than death.
Steven D. MellinWilliam D. WeinrebDavid I. BruckJudy ClarkeMiriam ConradGeorge A. O'Toole Jr.THE COURTMR. WEINREBMS. CLARKEMR. BRUCKMS. CONRADCourt ClerkMR. MELLINjury_selection
2015 Federal Trial/Day 9/January 23, 2015
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Judge O'Toole explained capital-trial standards as individual voir dire examined publicity, impartiality, and sentencing views. The court preserved a continuing defense objection to questioning limits, excluded Juror No. 140 after a conditional social-media agreement, and ruled on several juror challenges. The issue of jurors viewing life imprisonment as harsher than death remained unresolved.
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THE COURT: I apologize for being delayed. I got caught on a phone call.

Okay. So let's run through the people we saw today and entertain any cause objections. Number 138.

MR. WEINREB: No motion.

THE COURT: Number 139.

MR. WEINREB: No motion.

THE COURT: Number 143.

MR. WEINREB: So we have a motion on him, your Honor. [REDACTED], is, again, somebody who seems like the quintessential example of somebody who, if not prevented, then is certainly substantially impaired about his opposition to the death penalty.

He is, again, somebody who indicated quite clearly he did not want to appear to be an absolutist but, as a practical matter, could not imagine a real-world situation where he would impose the death penalty. And I think that really his views were very neatly encapsulated by his answers to Miss Clarke's last two questions to him. She asked two nonleading questions that were, nevertheless, fashioned in such a way as to elicit from him an affirmative answer to the question whether he could actually impose the death penalty if -- in a real-world situation. And the best he could muster at the end was "perhaps." And that's not a qualified juror under Witherspoon and Witt.

MR. BRUCK: No argument.

THE COURT: No argument on 143?

THE COURT: Okay. He will be excused.

145.

MR. BRUCK: No motion.

THE COURT: No motion.

152.

MS. CONRAD: Your Honor, we found some material online. I think I had Mr. Lyness give you one document. There's also Twitter feed by his sister and a posting by him online. And we would move to strike him for cause.

MR. WEINREB: Your Honor, as a general matter, we don't believe that flyspecking Facebook for any little thing that might seem inconsistent with what a juror said on a questionnaire is a basis for striking them, especially when it's been done after the fact when it could have been before the fact, to ask him about it and clear it up. Since it wasn't in this case done before the fact to ask him about it to clear it up, we're not going to oppose this --

THE COURT: All right. If there's no opposition, we'll strike him.

So that gets us to No. 156.

MR. WEINREB: So, your Honor, the government has a motion on [REDACTED]. We acknowledge he's not a clear-cut case like [REDACTED]. Nevertheless, I think this is a quintessential case that somebody, with the Court's ability to observe his demeanor, his manner in answering the questions, is crucial in the realization that he is substantially impaired in his ability to impose the death penalty.

He gave many, many nonverbal cues through his hesitancy, his seeming uncomfortableness, his -- his almost visceral dislike of having to even think about the death penalty, let alone having to focus on the possibility of him imposing it. That betrayed, I think, so much of a reluctance to do it that he is fairly considered substantially impaired.

He said, about the death penalty, I wish there wasn't one. What does it even accomplish? And when asked whether he could actually impose it, he said perhaps there's a situation but said it in such a way that suggested that it was really more of a theoretical proposition for him too. When asked pointblank, could you impose it?, he said, "Yeah, I think I could."

But I think that that -- merely uttering those words should not, in general, and certainly not in this case, be enough to cross the line to establishing that as somebody who can genuinely perform the duties of a juror in a capital case. You have to be somebody who actually could give it meaningfully consideration and impose it in a case where the facts and circumstances show it as being appropriate. And this individual just gave every situation that he's either not that kind of person or is so uncertain whether he's that kind of person that he's not a qualified juror.

MR. BRUCK: Does the Court need to hear argument on this?

THE COURT: I don't think so. I'm not persuaded. I read him the other way, frankly, and I think -- I think we're going to see a number of people like this -- we saw perhaps more than one today -- who have never really thought about this question and now are confronted with it. It's difficult for them to formulate a coherent philosophy about it on the spot, as it were. And I think there's some awkwardness with it.

I don't think he is -- I don't think I could find, on the basis of not only his answers but my observations of him -- he has perhaps some distinctive personality characteristics. I'm not sure that I would read what you read into them. So I think I would not excuse him for cause.

Mr. 158.

MR. BRUCK: I think he was excused. We discontinued questioning him.

THE COURT: That was the one we discontinued.

I think we may have discontinued 159 as well.

MR. BRUCK: We did.

THE COURT: That brings us to the last gentleman.

MS. CONRAD: Last one is 161, I believe, your Honor.

MS. CONRAD: We would challenge him. Two bases, your Honor: one cause and one hardship. He works at a restaurant in Little Tiverton. He lives two hours away. He said he didn't know that he would get paid. He's the manager of the restaurant. He said he would not be able to get there after completing service during the day. He would be able to get there, I guess, on Fridays, on those Fridays that we don't sit. I think he said Saturdays the restaurant was only open 11 to 3.

He said that he had concerns about the impact on his ability to pay the mortgage. He also has a young child under the age -- I think under the age of three or under the age of five, for whom he has some childcare responsibilities, although he acknowledged that he could deal with that.

I think that, looking at the totality, the financial impact on him would be quite great and would be certainly difficult. And I would hate to get a month or two into trial and lose somebody because they simply couldn't pay their rent or their mortgage. I don't have good notes on exactly what he said. I don't know if Mr. Bruck or Miss Clarke can help me out on exactly what he said about that, but my overall sense was that it certainly was a financial difficulty for him.

THE COURT: And the other ground?

MS. CONRAD: The other ground, your Honor, is sort of a totality as well. First of all, he has a cousin who was injured by an IED in Afghanistan but not just a cousin but someone about whom he seemed to feel like a brother. He said his father was sort of a substitute father for me. That person was injured. Of course, there are going to be photographs and videos of bombings, of people injured by bombings. I believe there's a doctor who's going to testify about the impact of an IED, the physical impact of those injuries.

And [REDACTED]was at times a pretty emotional person. And it seems to me -- I was just looking to see, and I couldn't find it offhand -- the question about seeing graphic injuries.

THE COURT: Question 87.

MS. CONRAD: Thank you. I didn't remember that. Do you have this whole thing memorized?

THE COURT: I've read this so many times.

MS. CONRAD: I don't have the numbers memorized. He said none -- I'm sorry. I'm looking at the wrong question. He says "no." It just says, "Severe injuries." But the IED aspect, I think, is significant. Coupled with that, your Honor, is the fact that he got emotional talking about the murder case in which he was a witness. And he said it was the fact that a child was killed, his friend killed his child. And now that I have a child, you know, and then he sort of choked up a little bit.

It seems to me -- he said he didn't know that there was a death of a child in this case, which surprised me. I think it probably surprised all of us. Now, it's possible, I suppose, that he just doesn't know much about it, but I think that's unlikely. But especially if you turn to Question -- I think it is 82 -- where there's a summary of the events. It specifically lists Martin Richard (8) as his age. And I can't recall. I was about to look to see whether the Court's preliminary instructions, before the questionnaires were filled out, referred to the fact that a child was killed. But either he's just remarkably uninformed or that response was not a hundred percent truthful.

I think his credibility is also called into question

[REDACTED]And I would submit that the combination of all of those factors, his emotional response and the financial hardship, and the suggestion of some -- something falling short of the candor that your Honor has urged upon these prospective jurors warrants him being excused.

MR. BRUCK: If I could very briefly add one thing to the grounds that were just stated, on the issue of the IED, his cousin being wounded by an IED, the Court has before it a motion in limine challenging the testimony of the Mass. General trauma surgeon, Doctor David King, who the government proposes to explicitly describe for the jury his own experience of treating soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan who are the victims of IED explosions and making the direct link between those injuries and the injuries that he saw on the afternoon of April 15, 2013.

So the connection -- now, of course, your Honor is in a much better position to know than we the fate of our motion in limine.

THE COURT: Not yet he isn't.

MR. BRUCK: Pardon?

THE COURT: I said, "Not yet, he isn't."

MR. BRUCK: Fair enough. So long as there is even a possibility that the government will be allowed to do that, this is a very -- this is a very tight connection between this juror's cousin's injury and the trial.

MR. WEINREB: Your Honor, we oppose the motion. With respect to the question of hardship, this was not a juror who seemed to have any issue stating his mind on any topic. He was asked specifically in the beginning about whether this would be an undue hardship for him, and then Miss Conrad pursued the matter at some length.

He said that he was someone who initially was reluctant to serve and was among people who were discussing ways to get out of it but then that he decided he was someone who did not want to. So, obviously, it's not something that he feels -- he's too shy or too reluctant to even consider the possibility of asking to be excused. He thought about it. He thought it over. He said he talked it over with his wife. His wife is a lawyer. They're a dual-income family. He -- not working nights or certainly not working on Fridays and Saturdays, he said he might be able to retain some income there. He's a manager. He could easily have said that, as the manager, I'm indispensable. They can't do without me. But he didn't go there.

He's just given every indication that a person can give that a jury service is a sacrifice for everybody, for some people more than others. But he gave every indication a person could give that he understood what the sacrifices would be, and he was prepared to make it, and it wouldn't be an undue sacrifice for him.

With respect to the IED issue, he said that it was his cousin who had been injured but that the cousin had suffered no lasting injury physically. And whether he was asked whether he had any lasting injury emotionally, he wasn't even sure about that.

Those types of questions, whether you have experienced anything in your life that you may be hearing evidence about in the case, a "yes" answer to those kinds of questions is never automatically disqualifying. The question is always whether the fact of the coincidental -- the coincidence of fact would prevent you from being fair and impartial. And he was asked that. He was asked whether it would creep in, whether it would interfere. He was asked in several different ways. Each time he gave it some thought, and he said confidently that it would not.

He also, in response to Question No. 87, which warns jurors that they will be seeing graphic injuries -- graphic photos of injuries and other things, said that it wouldn't disturb him, indicating that he's not somebody who is easily upset or made emotional by reminders of what may have happened to his cousin.

The fact that he served on a murder case 18 years ago --

MS. CONRAD: Not served on.

MR. WEINREB: I'm sorry, was a witness in a murder case 18 years ago, and when he thinks about it today, he still feels some emotion about it, I would argue, is a mark in his favor. We don't expect jurors to be emotionless. The kind of emotion that a juror needs to show during voir dire to warrant excusing them is the kind of emotion that overtakes them, overwhelms themselves, and suggests that, if something triggered that same emotion during the trial, they wouldn't be able to give attention to the evidence or decide the case on the evidence. He gave no indication whatsoever of that. The fact that he got emotional over the murder of a child just means that he's a normal person. Anybody would.

[REDACTED]The idea that -- the fact that he said he wasn't aware that a child was killed, Miss Conrad seems to suggest that the lack of exposure to pretrial publicity somehow means that there's something implausible about him as a juror, and that can't be. He's someone who said he doesn't read the news. He doesn't like to look at it. He's got a three-year-old at home. He doesn't turn that kind of thing on at home. That was certainly sufficient explanation for that answer.

I would just say, in general, with respect to that juror, it's perfectly understandable why the defense would like to strike him. But the truth is that he is somebody who has a lot to recommend him as a juror. He's somebody who candidly admitted that when he was younger, he made some bad decisions. [REDACTED]But he obviously now has a very responsible position in his job. He's married. He has a young child. He obviously cares a lot about that child. He cares about what he's exposed to at home. He's an admirable guy. And he seemed to think hard about the questions the Court asked and struggled to give honest, candid answers. He's someone we should welcome onto the jury.

MS. CONRAD: May I just respond?

THE COURT: No. I'm going to grant the strike.

MS. CONRAD: Thank you.

THE COURT: Not for the hardship reasons. I think we assess those principally on the temperature of the juror, and he didn't seem -- but the thing that troubles me is the IED connection. Whether he thinks it's a problem now, I think it is very likely to become one. I guess as an add-on to that, even the fact of two tours of duty in Afghanistan by a very close relation, when, I expect -- I don't know what all the evidence is going to be in this case, but I expect there may be some computer evidence speaking to the U.S. venture in Afghanistan and play some role in the government's strategy here.

So I just think it's too -- it's the kind of thing that he may not be reliably assessing himself now, but it is predictably a problem, I think, in the case. So I think that's my principal reason for thinking this is not the case for him. I don't think I have to address the other issues with respect to him.

So we have looked at Monday and have identified five that I think are fairly un- -- I was going to say undisputed but they're not -- undisputable. Fairly clear cases of what we've been doing on hardship. So let me just give you the numbers, and you can look at them: 163, 165, 166, 170, and 178. Operating from memory -- I don't have the forms in front of me -- I believe the first three, the 160 series, are all wage earners.

MR. WEINREB: We've already agreed on all five of them.

THE COURT: You have, fine. We're going to fill in then with the first five from what would have been Tuesday. In other words, this is our plan, to bring forward the people --

MR. WEINREB: So, your Honor --

THE COURT: You can look at the Tuesday the next five people -- I can tell you the numbers, actually.

MR. WEINREB: Before we on to Tuesday, so we actually have --

THE COURT: You have more?

MR. WEINREB: Three that the parties agree.

MR. WEINREB: That would be -- Judy, correct me if I get anything wrong.

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THE COURT: Okay. Then in that case, I'll look at that, and presumably they will be excused. I don't have a problem with that. So we'll add the next eight.

When I say -- I don't know what -- I haven't really looked at Tuesday yet. When I say the next eight, I mean the next eight net. So that if, as we go through Tuesday, there are some clear wage earners or there's somebody else who's a full-time student or one of the criteria we've been applying, we'll take that out. If you're scoping it out by looking at who they will likely be, we can tell you that.

MR. WEINREB: So the Court doesn't have through Tuesday?

THE COURT: I have some upstairs. I don't have them here. That's the point. I've looked at the Monday people, which resulted in this. I have not yet looked at the Tuesday people, so I can't say the first eight is clear sailing. It might go 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, and -- you know.

MR. WEINREB: Are we going to try to --

THE COURT: I'll try to get you that soon.

MR. WEINREB: Did we --

THE COURT: Probably by 5:00. I'll go up and I'll look through it now. Again, I'm looking at not arguable ones but, I think, ones that everybody will agree on.

MR. WEINREB: Can I ask Mr. McAlear, with respect to -- since it will be after 5:00 -- he had told us earlier that he needed the information by 5. Since it's a Friday, I don't know if that still applies.

COURT CLERK: I can push it a little. I can't go close to 6, but I could probably go to, like, 5:40. I know you'll take me for every second I give you.

THE COURT: Because you might add to it?

MR. WEINREB: No. If the Court gives us a proposed list for Tuesday but -- by 5:00 today, then we'd need to review it and get back to Mr. McAlear.

MS. CLARKE: I don't think that's what you're saying.

THE COURT: I'm not talking about a -- only indirectly. I'm talking about finding eight from Tuesday who are free of being discharged on our criteria. It may be that is 1 through 8. It may be it's 1 through 12 with four exceptions or whatever.

MS. CLARKE: Are we supposed to look at those additional ones that the Court is going to tell us by 5:00?

THE COURT: I guess it will be ideal. That's right. Say it has to be 1 through 12, because I've selected four of those for the automatic kind of thing, that's what I want to tell you by --

MS. CLARKE: We should look at --

MR. WEINREB: If you tell us by 5 --

THE COURT: That won't tell you the rest of Tuesday. I'm just looking for the people who would fill in the eight slots on Monday. That's all.

MR. WEINREB: In order for Mr. McAlear to know, he needs us to get back to him once we --

THE COURT: Correct.

MR. WEINREB: He had told us that he needed that information by 5.

THE COURT: So we'll do it as quickly as possible, and maybe we'll do it by quarter of 5.

COURT CLERK: I have the numbers if you want.

THE COURT: No. I have to look at the forms.

MR. BRUCK: Given the rate we've been going, 20 may be a little ambitious in any event. If it turned out we had 16 or 18, I think it will be fine.

THE COURT: I'm hoping we can get more expeditious.

MS. CONRAD: Judge, I had an issue with a juror we saw this week. But given the press of time on these things, perhaps it will be better if I hold it until --

THE COURT: Some day.

MS. CONRAD: -- next week. I'm sorry?

THE COURT: I said "some day."

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MR. MELLIN: Your Honor, on the penalty inversion issue, if I can cite the Court to United States vs. Ronell Wilson, 493 F Supp 2d, 415, it's a case out of the Eastern District of New York in 2006. In that case, one of the jurors indicated to the Court that he believed life imprisonment was more severe than the death penalty. The Court indicates that the Court at that time told the juror that the law deemed death to be the harsher penalty and then went on to ask the question of the juror: "Will you follow the Court's instructions that the penalty of death is a greater penalty and the penalty of life in prison is not as extreme a penalty?" So that is the case.

THE COURT: That may be the case I read. I don't know. That sounds awfully familiar. That's not precedential.

MR. MELLIN: It's not precedential, but what it is, your Honor, though, is that it's an indication that that is the law. In fact, I would direct the Court then to Woodson, which is a Supreme Court case. Woodson talks about how, when you're talking about a capital case, there is going to be greater focus on the sentencing because it is a capital case, and that there is nothing that can compare to the death penalty as opposed to life imprisonment.

THE COURT: Right. We'll look into it. I'll just leave it at that for now. We'll try to get you some numbers soon.

(Whereupon, at 4:35 p.m. the trial recessed.)

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